Dairy can trigger acne and here is why

One of the major dietary components of our acne program is to have all of our clients eliminate dairy.  When most of my clients start our program, they have usually already heard at some point that acne can trigger breakouts but they rarely know why.  In my e-course, 8 Steps To Clear Skin, I talk about how everyone’s acne triggers are different so not everyone with acne is triggered by dairy which is why we call everything a potential trigger, not a for-sure trigger.  Also, everyone is triggered by different amounts so one person might break out by consuming milk only once a week while another might break out by consuming milk 6 times a week. Just a few things to keep in mind while you read :)

Milk comes from pregnant mammals
Dairy comes from the mammary glands of pregnant mammals and why do mammals produce milk? To grow babies.   And how does milk grow babies? Hormones! Milk is essentially a liquid hormone y’all. So when us humans consume the milk of another mammal, it can mimic hormones in our own bodies which then sets off a chain reaction that can eventually lead to an increase in breakouts.  

Just because it didn’t used to break you out doesn’t mean it won’t now
Just because you might have consumed dairy at a time in your life when your skin was clear doesn’t mean that it won’t trigger a breakout for you now.  For those of us who are born with Retention Hyperkeratosis, the gene that causes acne, we will have times in our life when our acne is dormant and times in our life when it is active.  When our acne is dormant, our follicles are able to function properly so even if our hormones fluctuate they won’t cause a breakout. When our acne is in it’s active phase, even just a little bit of a trigger that we were able to tolerate in the dormant phase can trigger a breakout.

Which milk products should I avoid and what if it’s organic or low fat?
If you are still in the purging phase of the clearing process, you should stay away from all milk products except for butter because butter is so processed that the hormonal compounds are broken down and it’s also eaten in such small quantities that it’s unlikely to cause a breakout.  This includes cheese, creamer, cream cheese, and ice cream. Even if a milk product is made with organic milk that doesn’t contain any added hormones, it can still trigger acne because it naturally contains a cocktail of hormones. Low fat or not fat milk also doesn’t mean it is better for acne and neither does goat’s milk or sheep's milk because they are still mammals.  

What can I have instead?
There are SO many acne-friendly milk alternatives now so you should be able to find some favorites as long as you are willing to put some time into finding the ones that your palette likes. This includes anything that is made with almond milk, hemp milk, coconut milk, oat milk, and cashew milk as long as it doesn’t contain any of the other potential acne triggers.  To learn more about potential acne triggers, check out our 8 Steps To Clear Skin e-course.

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The root cause of acne is a genetic disease called Retention Hyperkeratosis-not hormones or diet or a poor lifestyle

When clients first come to see me, it takes a while to clear their heads of all of the lies and misconceptions they have been brainwashed into believing about acne.  Whether a client is starting our program with an in-person Consultation or our E-Course, we always start with a lesson on the cause of acne because I have never met a single person who actually knows what the cause of acne is.  Most people blame their acne on puberty, hormones, stress, diet, lack of exercise, weather, pollution, gut imbalances, and the list goes on and on. Although all of those things can be contributing factors, the true root cause of acne is a genetic disease called Retention Hyperkeratosis (we just call it RH because it’s so much easier).  The entire first lesson of our e-course breaks down the details of RH but here are a few tidbits: 

We are born with RH in our DNA
We are either born or not born with a predisposition towards retention hyperkeratosis. Just like any gene, it doesn’t have to be passed down directly from our parents and we might have inherited it from a grandparent or great great grandparent. The gene also has dormant and active periods and usually requires a trigger to become activated. This is similar to how you might have a genetic predisposition towards an allergy that might not get triggered until you are in your 20s and you might have periods where your symptoms are not as active as other periods. The gene also tends to manifest in different ways in different family members so your Mom might have had mild non-inflamed acne that was primarily diet triggered only for a few years as a teenager but you can have severely inflamed acne that is hormonally triggered from the ages of 13 to 45. 

RH is similar to diabetes
Our method is largely based on the research of Dr James Fulton and in his book, Acne RX, he compares acne to diabetes. Diabetics are born with a genetic predisposition that makes them unable to effectively process insulin and those of us with acne are born with a gene that makes it difficult for us to process skin cells effectively.  Acne and diabetes are also both conditions we are born with that don’t usually show symptoms until later and they are both multifactorial diseases in that they are triggered and exacerbated by a multitude of internal and external factors including diet and lifestyle.

RH manifests in many different ways throughout our lives
Even though RH is the root cause of acne, there are many other internal factors (e.g. hormones, stress) and external factors (e.g. skincare products, household products) that play a role in determining how the condition manifests itself.  So what type of acne we have at any given moment, what triggers our acne and in what amount, the location of the acne on our face or body, and the severity of our acne shifts throughout most of our lives. This is one of the many reasons why acne treatments still have such a low rate of success.

RH is a chronic disease but most of us reach a burnout stage at some point
For most of us, acne is a chronic condition that we will have to deal with for many years.  Most of us reach a burnout stage at some point in our lives where the condition just goes dormant but nobody knows when or why that happens.  For the lucky few, their acne gets triggered when they start puberty and it burns out when puberty ends which is why there is a misconception that acne is a teenage phase but many of us suffer with it well into our twenties, thirties, and forties although it might go through phases of being active and dormant throughout.  I have had many clients who were initially triggered by puberty in their teens whose acne slowed down in their twenties, completely cleared in their forties, and then got retriggered in their fifties because of menopause.

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Your acne is not caused by hormones. "Hormonal acne" is bullsh*t.

Out of all of the bullsh*t information floating around about acne, “hormonal acne” drives me the most crazy.  If hormones were the cause of acne then every human on earth would have acne because, guess what?  Every human on earth has hormones. Lots of them!  And those hormones are fluctuating, like, all the time.   Just think about it-if hormones were the cause of acne then every human who is pregnant, stressed out, not getting enough sleep, or on their period would be breaking out but that is not the case.  I think there are two reasons why “hormonal acne” has become such a prevalent term in the acne world.  The first is those stupid face map illustrations that are floating around all over the internet.  And the second is ignorant professionals who blame acne on hormones because, although they mean well, they really don’t know squat about acne.

Chin and jawline breakouts are not caused by hormones

Those face map illustrations that have become popular all over Pinterest and social media supposedly map the connections between where your acne is located on your face and which internal system is causing your acne.  According to those illustrations, acne on the cheeks is supposedly caused by dairy, breakouts on the nose are caused by indigestion, and, yup, breakouts on the chin and jawline are caused by hormonal imbalances. All of this is bulllllllsh*t.  I’ve had lots of clients who have RH but they never get triggered on their nose when they have indigestion and I have had lots of clients who never have cheek breakouts even though they consume a ton of dairy.  That is because where we break out is not a reflection of some internal system gone awry.  The location of our breakouts is determined by two things: our genes and product usage. 

The location of our breakouts is determined by these factors

Acne tends to flare up in areas where our oil glands are most active.  Genes determine where and when our oil glands get activated and they tend to get activated on different areas of our face at different points in our lives which is why acne tends to move in a wave around our face as we get older.  The “acne wave” usually starts around our t-zone around puberty and migrates to the lower half of our face in our 20s and 30s.  Comedogenic products also affect where we break out so if you are using a pore-clogging shampoo, you might break out along your hairline and if you are using a lip balm that contains coconut oil, you will likely break out around your mouth and chin.  There are dozens of skincare, personal care, and household products that can cause us to break out in various locations not just on your face but our bodies.  We go over each product in our e-course The 8 Steps To Clear Skin.

Dermatologists and skin care professionals use “hormonal acne” as a cop out

So many professionals including Dermatologists, estheticians, coaches, and acupuncturists fail to successfully treat acne so they use hormones as a reason to excuse themselves for failing.  After all, if it’s hormones then there is nothing anyone can do so it’s not their fault, right?  Wrong.  We actually don’t have to control 100% of the acne puzzle to get clear and the AES method is all about teaching you how to manage the factors that are within your control.  If you live in the San Francisco Bay Area, you can make an appointment at our clinic or check out our e-course if you are not local to learn more about our method.

Hormones can trigger or exacerbate acne but they do not cause it

Like I said, if hormones caused acne then everyone going through puberty and their menstrual cycle would be breaking out.  But if your acne journey started anything like mine then you remember dealing with middle school breakouts while everyone else seemed to maintain perfectly clear skin. The reason why some teenagers break out while others don’t isn’t because the teenagers who experience breakouts are the only ones going through puberty.  Every teenager goes through puberty but only some develop acne because hormones are a potential trigger but the root cause of acne is a genetic condition called Retention Hyperkeratosis (RH).   RH is the condition underlying acne regardless of what combination of hormones, diet, products, lifestyle, and other factors you are triggered by. 

What is the connection between Retention Hyperkeratosis and hormones?

Those of us that are born with RH have a genetic dysfunction that causes little acne seeds to be planted in our skin.  These seeds then grow due to a combination of natural, dietary, product, and lifestyle triggers.  One of those natural triggers is hormones. Without the underlying condition though, there is nothing for a trigger to set off.  In this sense, acne is similar to diabetes.  Someone who is born with Type I diabetes wouldn’t blame their condition on donuts would they?  Of course not!  They know that donuts in and of themselves don’t cause diabetes because there are plenty of people who can eat dozens of donuts without problems. Donuts are a potential trigger but the root cause of their condition is a biological dysfunction that affects insulin.  If they didn’t have a problem with insulin then donuts wouldn’t be an issue because there would be no underlying condition to trigger.  Well, think of the relationship between acne and hormones like the diabetic and the donut.  Without RH, there would be no underlying condition for hormones to trigger and this is evidenced by the fact that there are plenty of people who experience hormone fluctuations without ever getting a pimple.

Acne is a multifactorial disease so there is never one factor causing it

Even if hormones were the cause of acne, they still wouldn’t be enough to cause a breakout because acne is a multifactorial disease which means that it is always caused by a unique combination of multiple factors.  I think of acne like a puzzle-there are lots of different pieces that make up the big picture and hormones are just one piece of the puzzle.  There are dozens, even hundreds of other potential triggers including diet, medication, stress, laundry detergent, and hand soap.  

Calling acne “hormonal” is vague, ambiguous, and completely unclear

Finally, the last reason I hate the term hormonal acne is because it doesn’t really mean anything.  There are over 50 hormones and they are chemical messengers that are responsible for signaling pretty much every function in our bodies.  So of course hormones are connected to acne-they are connected to everything!  But which of the 50 hormones is it?  And which function is it signaling?  If you sign up for our e-course, we will be going over all of the potential acne triggers and the connection between acne and hormones in detail.

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Why sweat doesn't actually cause acne

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I have SO many clients swear that sweat is causing them to break out.  You might be breaking out from certain triggers connected to your workouts like acne mechanica but sweat in and of itself is not one of them and here is why:

Sweat isn’t comedogenic
There are over a hundred ingredients called comedogenic ingredients that can clog and irritate pores but sweat doesn’t contain any of them.  Sweat is mostly composed of water and small amounts of electrolytes like sodium and chloride-none of which are toxic or comedogenic.

Sweat glands aren’t even connected to oil glands
The acne process takes place inside of your hair follicles and oil glands are attached directly to these follicles which is why oil plays an essential role in the acne process.  Sweat glands are completely separate and disconnected from both the hair follicle and the oil gland.  

Sweat does not flush out toxins
The popular misconception that sweat somehow detoxifies or flushes toxins out of our bodies is so silly.  If our sweat was toxic, our skin would probably melt off and we would be in trouble. The main role of sweating is to regulate our body temperature, not to flush out toxins. Our kidneys and livers are responsible for purifying and detoxifying our bodies so you don’t have to worry about toxins coming out of your skin and potentially causing a breakout.

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Tips to avoid breakouts when you go to a gym or fitness classes

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Going to a gym or taking fitness classes can trigger breakouts but since I have already told you that sweating does not cause acne, what could it be?  Well, you don’t necessarily need to wash your face before or after (I know, this completely goes against all of the advice you have ever heard) AS LONG AS you are wearing acne-friendly makeup because if you are wearing makeup that doesn’t contain any comedogenic ingredients then it sits on top of your skin and working out won’t cause it to slip into your pores.  If you are wearing pore-clogging makeup, don’t bother washing your face because by the time you get to the gym that makeup has clogged your pores anyways :D You also don’t need to wash your face before or after working out (I know, another piece of advice that completely goes against the advice you have heard all your life) because, again, sweat doesn’t cause acne.  Here are the list of things you do need to do though to avoid breaking out when you workout:

1. Always bring your own towels that have been washed with acne-friendly laundry detergent and not dried with dryer sheets or fabric softener. Gyms and fitness studios often wash their towels with heavily fragranced detergent that can trigger a breakout if it touches your face or body. If you forget a towel, use paper towels or your t-shirt to wipe yourself.

2. Never use toiletries (shampoo, conditioner, body wash, lotion, etc) provided by a gym or studio unless you have checked the ingredients against the list of comedogenic ingredients.  If the ingredients are not listed, do not use them and bring your own toiletries instead.

3. If you use hand soap or hand sanitizer at a gym/studio, do not touch your face after because it might contain pore-clogging ingredients.

4. Bring your own mat.  “Dirty” mats are not the problem (remember, dirt and bacteria do not cause acne) but if the mat is washed with a cleaner that contains a pore-clogging ingredient, it can trigger a breakout.

5. If you have to use a mat, equipment or machinery that is not yours (e.g pilates reformers, yoga mats, etc), keep your face off of it or put your own towel on it to protect your face.  If the equipment was cleaned by the studio, they might have used a pore-clogging cleaner and if it wasn’t, the person who used it before you might have transferred pore-clogging products from their faces or bodies onto the equipment.

6. Acne mechanica is caused by pressure and friction on the skin which can irritate acne and cause more inflammation.  So try to keep as much pressure and friction off your face by wiping gently with your towel, not touching your face with your hands, and wearing loose clothing if you get body acne.

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Acne Scars and Dark Marks are Two Different Things

Acne scar

Post-Inflammatory Hyperpigmentation (PIH)

It’s amazing how many people mistakenly confuse the dark marks leftover from acne (post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation) with acne scars. I have clients walk through my doors that have done HUNDREDS of hours of research on acne and yet it seems the more information they have consumed, the less informed they are. Acne scars and dark marks are important to understand and be able to distinguish because if you suffer from acne, chances are you will experience one or both of these at some point on your acne journey. Understanding them can also help you take the necessary actions to prevent them in the first place.

How to tell the difference
Acne scars are textural changes in the skin that can be either indented or raised. Post-Inflammatory Hyperpigmentation looks like discoloration that may be red, brown, purple, or white but these marks are flat rather than textured. Scars and pigmentation may also appear together in the same area especially in cases of picking.

The causes
Acne scars and dark marks both occur in response to inflamed acne and picking but they are caused by two different mechanisms. Dark marks occur when inflammation triggers an increase in melanin which are pigment producing cells. Scars on the other hand occur when inflammation essentially eats away at the skin’s tissues causing the tissue to atrophy or overgrow.

Are they treatable?
Dark marks leftover from acne are usually treatable but , unfortunately, it’s nearly impossible to completely eliminate acne scars. There are treatments that can improve their appearance but it’s incredibly difficult to restore skin back to its natural state once the tissue has been damaged. Check out our post on dark marks for more information on how to treat them.

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Best and worst birth controls for acne

Birth control is usually categorized as estrogen or progestin dominant and some have greater androgenic (testosterone like) effects than others. Testosterone is the hormone that is responsible for oil production so, as a general rule of thumb, those of us with acne should talk to our Doctors about choosing a birth control that is higher in estrogen and lower in androgen.  The most commonly prescribed in this category are:

Brevicon
Demulan
Femcon
Kelnor
Modicon
MonoNessa
Necon
Ortho Tricyclen
Ortho-Novum
Ovcon
Previferm
Sprintec
Tri-Nessa
Tri-Previferm
Tri-Sprintec
Zovia

These options are higher in androgen potency so should be avoided if possible:

Alesse
Amethyst
Apri
Azurette
Caziant
Cryselle
Cyclessa
Depo-Provera
Desogen
Emoquette
Estrostep FE
Implanon
Jolessa
Kariva
Lessina
Levora/Levonest
Linessa
Loestrin
Lo-Feminol
Lo-Ogestrel
Lo-Ovral
Lutera
Marvelon
Microgestin
Mircette
Mirena
Nexplanon
Nordette
Norplant
NuvaRing
Ogestrel
Ortho Tricyclen Lo
Ovral
Portia
Reclipsen
Seasonale/Seasonique
Skylar IUD
Sronyx
Triphasil/Trivora

It is important to note that even if you follow these guidelines, it is impossible to predict whether or not your acne will get better, worse, or stay the same after getting on birth control.  Hormones affect everyone differently so despite these guidelines, a progestin heavy pill could actually improve some cases of acne while an estrogen heavy one could make some cases worse so there is no fail proof rule of thumb when it comes to hormones and acne.  Prescription medication also typically improves some of the symptoms of acne but it doesn’t deal with the underlying cause of it so some people might see improvements but only a rare few see their acne go away completely. Before making a decision, check out our blog Birth Control For Acne: What You Should Know. 

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Common pregnancy and postpartum acne triggers

As I mention in my post about pregnancy acne, pregnant women have surging hormones that they are not able to control so it’s even more important for women with pregnancy acne to try and avoid other factors that are within their control as long as it aligns with your Physician’s orders.  Sticking to an acne-friendly lifestyle and following the guidelines below might not be possible so sometimes the best we can do during pregnancy is mitigate and manage the factors that are within our control.  

Supplements
Most prenatal and pregnancy supplements contain iodine and biotin which are both potential acne triggers. Ask your physician which vitamins and minerals are essential for you to be taking and if iodine and biotin are not necessary, find a supplement without them or buy individual supplements that contain each of the ingredients you need rather than taking a multi.  Most supplements also contain above and beyond the recommended daily value so your Physician says you do need iodine or biotin, make sure the supplement you choose doesn’t contain any more than necessary.

Foods
Dairy, soy, and foods high in androgen and iodine are potential acne triggers and it’s not uncommon for even my most diligent clients to start going off the rails with their diet once they get pregnant.  Some are so nauseous that they really don’t have any choice in what they are able to eat and I had one client that couldn’t eat anything other than cheese without throwing up. I have other clients who are told by their Doctors that they need to get calcium so they start drinking milk and others who are just too tired or preoccupied with pregnancy or a new baby to stick to an acne-friendly diet. If your Doctor is recommending that you consume anything that might exacerbate your acne, I recommend asking them if there are any alternatives that you can eat instead.  

Comedogenic personal care products
Expectant and new Moms tend to become more conscious of the ingredients in their personal care products so they start to use more “natural” products which tend to be worse for acne because they usually contain pore-clogging algaes and natural oils.  I see a lot of Moms break out on the sides of their face from “cuddle acne” which is triggered by your baby’s hair products making contact with your skin when you nuzzle them against your face. In addition to checking your own personal care products (skincare products, shampoo, conditioner, toothpaste, lip balm, makeup, etc) to make sure they don’t contain any comedogenic ingredients, check your partner’s products and the products you get for your baby.

Stress
Lack of sleep, social isolation, and the daily stress of being a new Mom can all cause cortisol levels to spike which can then trigger testosterone levels which can then lead to increased oil production in the follicles and more breakouts.  So self-care and community care is not a luxury, it’s a necessity if you are a new or expectant Mom living with acne. This doesn’t mean you have to do something elaborate or expensive-do whatever small things you can in whatever small amount you can.  If you have the luxury or taking a vacation or carving out a few hours to go to therapy every week, awesome. Otherwise you can do small things like meditate for 2 minutes, light a candle, join a Mom group, or just stretch your legs. Whatever you do, make sure to really savor the experience by bringing awareness to the sensations and emotions that let you know it’s a pleasurable or relaxing experience.  This will send a signal to your brain that you are not in survival mode and it doesn’t need to dump cortisol into your system to trigger the fight-or-flight response.

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You actually can't make your pores smaller

Before we talk about pore size, let’s start with a little lesson on what a pore actually is because I’ve found that most people think they know but they actually don’t know what and where this basic skin structure is.  It’s not our fault we are so misinformed: we hear skincare companies say their products “clean deep down inside the pores” and see visuals in TV commercials that show products going into the “pore” and washing out debris.  But a pore is not the tube-like structure that extends beneath the surface of the skin where acne and debris form. That tube-like structure is called a follicle and the pore is just the opening to the follicle on the surface of the skin.  So you can’t actually “clean deep down inside the pores” because there is nothing deep about the pores-they are just a surface structure that acts like a gateway to all of the truly deep stuff like the sweat glands, oil glands, fat, nerves, and the follicles where acne forms.  In my post about how heat and steam are actually terrible for acne, I discuss how pore size is determined by what is inside of the follicle so the next two sections are taken directly from that post:

Only oil can stretch the pores open or closed
Pore size is mostly genetic and there isn’t anything you can do to significantly change it.  Pores don’t actually get smaller or bigger on their own: How big or small your pores are depends on the amount of oil your sebaceous glands produce because oil is what flows through the follicle and stretches the pores open, making it appear larger or smaller.  And oil production is determined by testosterone levels because testosterone is the chemical messenger that triggers the oil gland to get pumping among many other things. Testosterone levels are primarily biological. For example, we are born with biological clocks that signal our testosterone levels to surge during puberty, pregnancy, and the menstrual cycle.  There are certain dietary and lifestyle factors that are within our control like dairy, soy, and stress that can impact testosterone levels so if we can reduce the levels of testosterone in the body, we can reduce oil production, and maybe cause the pores to appear smaller because there is less oil stretching the pore open. This is a big maybe though and it’s unrealistic to expect poreless skin because all of humans have oil glands that are constantly producing oil throughout our lives.  I know this is not good news if you are a pore-hater but remember that oil and pores serve really amazing life saving functions so if you really had the choice, you wouldn’t want to close them up!

Topical products might help 
Some active ingredients in acne products like benzoyl peroxide can help absorb oil on the skin which might make pores appear smaller.  Other ingredients like alpha hydroxy acids can exfoliate and break up congestion in the follicles so pores might appear smaller as congestion gets purged out of the follicles.  Our Clearing Treatment contains benzoyl peroxide and our serums and peels contain alpha hydroxy acids and other exfoliating ingredients that help cut oil and clear the follicles from the inside out.  The holistic aspects of our program include dietary and lifestyle recommendations that aim to target and reduce oil production. We don’t promise that our program or products will deliver smaller looking pores because, as I mentioned, it’s largely biological and the changes we might be able to achieve will be minimal.  There really is no program or product out there that will give you flawless poreless skin but if you have a chance at minimizing your pore size at all, our program is probably your best shot.

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6 ways to prevent forehead acne

Most of our clients blame their bangs or their oily hair for the breakouts along their hairline.  Others have seen too many face maps on Pinterest and suspect their forehead acne is a manifestation of their poor digestive systems.  But if you are breaking out on your forehead or anywhere else on your hairline, it’s likely triggered by comedogenic ingredients in your hair products, towels, and pillowcases.  Here are some tips on how to eliminate forehead breakout triggers but keep in mind that preventing new acne from forming is just the first step. Once you eliminate a trigger, you still have old acne sitting in your skin that needs to be pulled or “purged” out which is why getting clear requires a comprehensive and multi-targeted process like our program:

1. Do not use shampoo, conditioner, or styling products that contain potentially pore-clogging ingredients. Check every hair product against our comedogenic ingredients list and if you purchase a product online, check the ingredient list on the actual packaging when it arrives to make sure it is actually acne-friendly because products are often reformulated and not updated on websites.

2. Bring your own acne-friendly hair products with you whether you are getting your hair colored, cut, styled, or blow dried and explicitly tell your stylist to only use those approved products on your hair.  If possible, wash your hair right before your appointment so they don’t use salon towels on your hair which may have residue from cloggy detergent or fabric softener on it.  

3. If you are getting your hair colored or doing some type of keratin treatment or brazilian blowout, unfortunately, you are likely going to be exposed to some comedogenic ingredients.  There isn't much that can be done in this case so at least try to minimize the impact by washing your hair out that night. If you get some type of treatment that needs to be left in your hair for a few nights, use a new pillowcase every night so the residual from the nights before are not making contact with your face.

4. Never use the towels provided at a gym or workout studio because they are likely washed with comedogenic and highly fragranced detergent.  Always bring your own.

5. Don’t travel without your own shampoo, conditioner, styling products, pillowcase, and towel.  Hotels also use highly fragranced and/or comedogenic detergent, fabric softener, and dryer sheets that leave a waxy residue that spreads to your hair and face.

6. Follow these guidelines regardless of how often you go to the hair stylist or travel.  A lot of people think that just because they don’t travel or get their hair done often that they don’t need to use caution but it only takes one ingredient in one product to touch your face one time for one second to trigger a breakout.  This means that just going to the hair stylist or traveling once can plant acne seeds in your skin that take months to get out.

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